"Absolutely Beautiful" - or- A conversation with Siloca Sneek
- Kris Collins:
- my current favorite secular song is Unwell, by Matchbox 20
- nontalk:
- I hate you
- Kris Collins:
- WHAT!?
- nontalk:
- because I HATE matchbox 20 with a deep and unforgiving hatred
- Kris Collins:
- no way
- nontalk:
- they are one of the most annoying bands I have ever heard
- Kris Collins:
- fish
- nontalk:
- yes they ARE fish
- Kris Collins:
- lol
- nontalk:
- honestly, and I am not exaggerating, I really despise them
- Kris Collins:
- there's a reason they're so popular, and in this case it's because they are bigtime
- nontalk:
- many many people like them, to be sure, I am not one of those
- Kris Collins:
- do you think it's possible that you hate them precisely because they are so popular/
- nontalk:
- no, I am NOT in that camp at all
- Kris Collins:
- good
- nontalk:
- I actually hate people who hate music for it's being popular
- Kris Collins:
- maybe it's because you're UNWELL
- Kris Collins:
- me too
- nontalk:
- I hate the feeling I get when the sound of their music reaches my eardrums
- Kris Collins:
- LOL
- nontalk:
- that is why I hate them
- Kris Collins:
- that amazes me
- nontalk:
- honestly, I was just saying to jody (for probably the 100th time) how much I hate them
- Kris Collins:
- hey, i hate those people too - that "hate" something because it all of a sudden became popular
- Kris Collins:
- no way
- Kris Collins:
- you were?
- nontalk:
- yes I was
- nontalk:
- last week
- nontalk:
- here is a good way to describe those music fans/idiots....
- nontalk:
- Johnny: "oh I hate [band x] because they are so popular now, they sold out"
- nontalk:
- translation..........
- nontalk:
- Johnny: "I hate the fact that I no longer have some claim of superiority due to my secret knowledge of some 'underground' band. I never actually liked their music, what I like was the fact that I knew them before most of the lemmings who like them now."
- Kris Collins:
- exactly
- nontalk:
- Actually the real truth is....
- nontalk:
- these people LOVE it when 'their' underground bands sell out, because then they actually have the opportunity to tell everyone how they used to love them before they sold out
- Kris Collins:
- YES
- nontalk:
- they HATE (or at least don't enjoy) the actual music....that is an irrelevant aspect of the whole thing...... they LOVE feeling cool
- Kris Collins:
- nice, groove
- Kris Collins:
- btb analysis
- nontalk:
- and I love hating these people
- Kris Collins:
- i honestly can't imagine, however, someone not loving matchbox 20
- Kris Collins:
- but alas, we are all different
- nontalk:
- I can't imagine how someone could say what you just did
- nontalk:
- we are different. I am willing to admit that I can conceive how someone would like their music.....
- nontalk:
- it is like this..... I don't like Bailey's Irish Cream. for some reason I feel like I want to puke everytime I take a sip.. but my wife LOVES it
- Kris Collins:
- LOL
- nontalk:
- I don't know why I don't llike it
- Kris Collins:
- i suppose, i receive that
- Kris Collins:
- however, what i mean is
- Kris Collins:
- i know and believe that not all people like it...
- nontalk:
- yes
- Kris Collins:
- but since i do love it , yet don't know why, and therefore deduce that it is the music that is loveable, not me objectively loving the music...
- nontalk:
- aha!
- Kris Collins:
- it's difficult to imagine WHY someone wouldn't like it
- nontalk:
- here is the thing.....
- Kris Collins:
- ALL TRUTH MUST BE RELATIVE
- Kris Collins:
- ;)
- nontalk:
- I think that aesthetics are PURELY relative
- nontalk:
- I don't think there is any objective beauty
- Kris Collins:
- wow, that's something
- Kris Collins:
- hmm....
- Kris Collins:
- very interesting
- nontalk:
- I really , truley believe that
- Kris Collins:
- how about truth... is absolute truth objectively beautiful?
- Kris Collins:
- or is it just true
- Kris Collins:
- merely true
- nontalk:
- it is beautiful to some.
- nontalk:
- not to others
- Kris Collins:
- so you're saying... truth IS beautiful, yet some see it as such and some simply do not
- nontalk:
- NOPE I don't mean that........
- Kris Collins:
- or did i say that?
- Kris Collins:
- suhoo....
- nontalk:
- I don't think you can say "x = beautiful" because I think that beauty is experienced at given moments in time
- nontalk:
- it isn't an attribute
- nontalk:
- now, in english I would say, my wife is beautiful
- nontalk:
- but what I mean by that is.... I experience beauty via her
- Kris Collins:
- sheesh
- Kris Collins:
- good stuff
- Kris Collins:
- i agree with that... however, shouldn't we experience beauty in all absolute truth
- Kris Collins:
- if it is in fact true
- nontalk:
- I will say this....... everyone will always experience beauty when they clearly "see" God
- Kris Collins:
- that's what i was getting to
- nontalk:
- but that doesn't mean that God = beauty
- Kris Collins:
- no, but he IS beautiful
- nontalk:
- yeah that works
- nontalk:
- 6 of 1, half 12 of the other
- Kris Collins:
- you think so?
- Kris Collins:
- but it's not just an arbitrary assignment
- Kris Collins:
- he's beautiful for a reason (or many reasons), one of which is
- he is truth
- Kris Collins:
- or
- he is always true/right
- Kris Collins:
- so this subjective experience/emotion will necessarily follow when this truth is truely beheld
- nontalk:
- YES!
- nontalk:
- at least that is my hunch
- Kris Collins:
- hyeah
- nontalk:
- but about things that aren't absolute, I don't think we can assign "absolutely"
- the attribute "beautiful"
- Kris Collins:
- agreed
- Kris Collins:
- i would tend to say that it follows, then, that all ABSOLUTE TRUTH will be experienced as beautiful when clearly beheld...
- Kris Collins:
- however, could it be that there is truth that is DETESTIBLE?
- Kris Collins:
- by definition
- Kris Collins:
- so then, maybe God's TRUENESS in and of itself isn't necessarily beautiful
- Kris Collins:
- ooofta
- nontalk:
- I kind of don't know what to say about that. because some people might be genuinely repulsed by the fact that 2=2
- Kris Collins:
- lol
- Kris Collins:
- true
- Kris Collins:
- wow
- Kris Collins:
- well
- Kris Collins:
- i digress
- Kris Collins:
- thanks for the chitchat
- nontalk:
- good conversation though, this might make it onto nontalk.com
- Kris Collins:
- REALY?
- nontalk:
- well sure, it was a good one.
posted on Tuesday, February 28, 2006
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